Posts by New Worldly Translation

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Creation scientist resources

by hooberus in

http://www.creationresearch.org.

http://www.icr.org.

http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_papers.

New Worldly Translation

You know there are some people who believe in God and evolution, and do not believe the earth is only 10,000 years old. Lilly

Lovelylil - Something genuinely confuses me about that stance. How do you reconcile the fall of man and the need for a ransom sacrifice with evolution. There's a vast dichotomy between the two. This is a mistake many religionists make in that they try to appear apologetic to science and accept that the story of Adam and Eve was an allegorical story but forget that the happenings in the garden of Eden form the cornerstone for the rest of scriptural dogma.

A previous comment that said creationists or religionists who accept evolution and scientific discoveries are being honest was far of the mark as they are actually disingenuous. If one believes in the prime mover type god who sets things in motion then has no further part in proceedings then that god is an irrelevance. If one believes in a god who does take an interest in human affairs and dictated a book for you to live by, but you pick and choose your own morality from that book and which parts to believe and which parts to discard as unscientific, unhistoric or even distasteful then that book is an irrelevance.

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The Watchtower Official Page of Hypocrisy

by Vinny in

this link is directly from the "official" watchtower website.

it's a short reading.

now, imagine somebody trying to apply this very same advice to their own jehovah's witness faith.

New Worldly Translation

Good find Vinny.

It is amazing they can write that stuff with a straight face. At least some JW's took that advice, and that's why we're here at JWD!

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Creation scientist resources

by hooberus in

http://www.creationresearch.org.

http://www.icr.org.

http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_papers.

New Worldly Translation

Creation Science - The term the word oxymoron was invented for.

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Pharaoh's drowned army - arqueological proof found?

by Abishai in

i wanted to get your thoughts on the claim that pharaoh's drowned army was discovered.

the claim comes from ron wyatt.

he seems to have a cult following and some critics to his claims.

New Worldly Translation

Ron Wyatt was proved to be a fraud numerous times during his lifetime. Now he's dead this stuff is irrelevant. Unfortunately stuff like this gets kicked around the internet like flotsam and jetsam until it sinks to Atlantis or gets washed up on Avalon beach.

Here's a critique of these kind of 'discoveries' from a bona fide archaelogist.

http://www2.andrews.edu/~merling/

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Demons to the left of us, demons to the right........

by Gill in

watchtower march 15th 2007: page 27 the watchtower obsession with satan and demons seems to have no end.

it is little wonder that jehovah's witnesses are so superstitious when they take in things such as the latest offering from the fds:.

'ever since the wicked angels lost their original position, they have been the demon companions of satan and have served his evil interests.

New Worldly Translation

Yep they're a Satanic cult. There's probably more articles in the mags about Satan than about Jehovah.

IMO anyone who stills holds a belief of Satan and his demons must have a slightly wrested view of the world that's somewhat deterministic and even fatalisitc - with this Satan guy around what can we do to put things right?
It also abrogates peoples personal responsibility - there answer can always be an older boy told me to do it.

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How much infidelity was there in your congregation?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

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my congregation had 85 members in the 90's.today, there are only 35 members.i counted 6 divorces that were due to infidelity.all were married in their teens and each married the first person they ever dated.all the men found new girlfriends or remarried and left all the kids and financial burdens on their wives.most of the ex-wives live with their parents and have a hard time remarrying due to lack of men in the kingdom hall.. now,the new thing is for these divorced women finding brothers who were divorced due to infidelity in their marriage and date brothers from out of state.don't you think that by finding a partner who was in the same situation makes it more difficult?

and what guarantee is there that this will work since their first husbands were witnesses?.

New Worldly Translation

Quite a lot. I always found it funny that when a JW divorced or was reproved for infidelity that it somehow didn't count towards the stats for JW's as 'we always suspected they weren't a proper witness'.

Another thing I noticed was that couples who married before becoming JW's had stronger marriages than those who married 'in the truth'.

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The Day all Jehovah`s Witness`s are put into Concentration Camps!

by OUTLAW in

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friends

when i was a kid,kingdom halls still had windows.thats a while ago..as a kid i was told in the last days,jehovah`s witness`s would be rounded up and be put into concentration camps..i was told,when the government came to take me away and seperate me from my parents,i should wear my warmest coat and boots.as i would have to fend for myself in the concentration camp..i was told never to give up my faith.even if they tied my parents to a stake and was foced to light the fire that would burn them alive.....jehovah`s witness`s are the "happiest people on earth!

".....do you have any happy memorys like mine?...outlaw

New Worldly Translation

I caught the back end of the victimization paranoia when I was a kid. We were told the authorities would come looking for the elders and we were to remain shtum even through threats and beatings (for some reason the authorities always had german accents - Vere are ze elders! mind you a lot of JW's are closet racists)

My mother bought a reversible coat and sunglasses for the ministry so that if we were caught witnessing during the great trib she'd nip behind a corner, reverse the coat, put the glasses on and walk off whistling nonchalantly. Bit before my time but after the group at my grans house in the 50's they used to have a drill where someone would pretend to be the police outside the door and everyone had to gather their books together and slot them inside my grans piano and then get board games out and pretend it was a social gathering. Kinda like those speakeasy's you see on films.

There seemed to be a constant paranoia about being put under ban in the 50's and 60's. My grandad told me that at one time there was a rota for secret meeting places if the KH's were ever closed down and that the meeting times would change week to week to confuse the authorities if they ever did suss where JW's were meeting. That didn't last long though, too much for people to remember and too much admin.

Every time the family watched The Sound Of Music at the end scene and they're fleeing over the mountains to Swiss freedom they'd say 'that's us during the great trib escaping the ban'

I think they all looked forward to the great tribulation as it seemed quite exciting compared to the dull monotonous existence of the ordinary JW.

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JWs and Gambling

by JohnnyMarr in

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i've been inactive for a while and i can't remember the jws stance on gambling.

i'm kinda big into poker now and i want to know what to expect if i'm televised or spotted in a public tournament.

is it a disfellowshipping offense, public reproof offense, or conscious decision?

New Worldly Translation

...especially Celine Dion

That's obviously a lie then. Surely no-one goes to Vegas to purposely hear Celine Dion. The only reason they put her in casinos is that the slots drown out her squawking.

I always thought the rules about gambling were strange. You can't buy a lottery ticket but you can enter a free competition to maybe win the same amount??? Surely that's even more covetous. The principle of 'getting something you haven't worked for' being bad is difficult to define also. I get interest from my bank that I don't work for but I accept it.

Anyone remember the Simpsons episode where Ned Flander's wife says he doesn't have insurance cos he views it as a form of gambling - always reminds me of the JW mindset.

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ex JW atheists

by Bobhere in

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friends

i know we were sold a lie in believing god was only dealing with the wt and to obey them is to obey god.

what puzzels me is that in rejecting the wt so many also reject their belief in god.

surely they believed that god existed as witnesses.

New Worldly Translation

I disagree with that analysis Junction Guy. In my case, and I suspect for other ex-jw's too, it was research on the JW's that led to the question of; well if they're wrong is any religion right?
Researching further into biblical texts, ancient history and chronology, religious dogma etc leads many to reject religion altogether and become agnostic or atheist.

It's not that on leaving they become godless. It's that for years they were fed lies dressed up as truth and so they have a deep need to find out the real truth about the world and the universe. IMO those who leave the JW's and still cling to another religion or religious ideology have only made half the journey and are still held by the selfish desires for a paternal protective God and the psychological comfort blanket of a personal saviour.

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Martin Sexton

by avishai in

who else digs this amazing singer?

New Worldly Translation

I've never heard of him but looking at his website it seems like the type of music I'd like. I'll have to check out his stuff